AceWolf understands this game we call poker more than most people if not everyone more than anyone else. there is no point in denying what is just fact. But take this into consideration, you are aware that we are the youngest players in the opc and we also hold the highest averages. But at the end of the day this is irrelevant what matters is that we play our best the only way we could and learn from our mistakes and make better plays in the future. This is what free poker is all about having fun and learning.
Some people will never learn, will never change and will also always destined to be crap. The worst player in the o.p.c is not one of the newest members, nor the youngest or the oldest it is one of the founders. KATE NEEDHAM. she cannot play poker, she never will and never has. but yet she believes she has the right to critizise everyone else. KATE you dont deserve your position nor your reputation. Ace wolf recommends The O.P.C look for a new member. " KATE bring some game or go the f&&&$#k home"
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- SHANNON HART
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- KERRY SELWOOD
- SCOTT RAWSON
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Shannon, Shannon, Shannon, what are you doing? I know you would have written this post cause James doesnt have the balls. We are team mates, why are you bagging a team mate? I know its frustrating that most of the time players dont understand you and the way you play. But there was no need for this. Mate I understand the way you play and yes you are up there for knowing the game. To say that Kate cannot play poker is simply not true. Yes she mighten understand how to play position, play the player, big stack and short hand poker. Instead of bagging her, why dont you and James take her under your wing and teach her. Because she will not be getting kicked out of the OPC, sometimes its not all about poker!
Hey Shannon,
After talking to you tonight, I still don’t know where all of this is coming from, or what I’ve done to upset you, but since you’ve put it out there, I guess I have to defend myself.
First of all, I have NEVER suggested that I am some kind of poker genius or that I was in a position to criticise your play. You are clearly a very good player, and I have the upmost respect for your skill and knowledge of the game. You have obviously learnt lot in a relatively short amount of time, and understand the intricacies of the game in a way that few people, least of all me, ever will. What I don’t respect is the way you run your mouth, talk yourself up, and put other people down at the table (and now online, it seems). From my perspective, what you need to learn now is a little humility.
I’m the first to admit that I have a lot to learn about poker, but I don’t think I’m the “crap” player you’re making me out to be, either. I don’t have either the lowest average or the lowest points, so statistically I am not the worst player in the OPC. Right now I’m coming 14th in the region, which I’m more than happy with and is better than you did last season. By the way, you don’t have the highest averages in the OPC. Both Stuart and Wayne have that on James, as well as Lydia on you, Shannon.
I’ve also won enough ring games and sit and go’s (that you’ve also been in – take tonight for example), won whenever I’ve played at the Poker Dome, and done better than average in the two money tournaments I’ve entered, to know that I can hold my own, even though I’m not the greatest player at the table, and I know I never will be.
Obviously I don’t play that way you (and most of the other members of the OPC) do, but to me that’s part of the beauty of the game. Wouldn’t it be boring if we all played the same way? If you think there’s something I could do to improve my game, I’m all ears. It's not like I'm running around telling people I've mastered the game. I’d rather you pointed out my mistakes to my face than rubbish me online. But, you know what? You’re proably right. I probably will never learn, and my game may never change, but I’m OK with that. It’s a game that’s kind of working for me at the moment. Chances are I’ll never win a tournament, but at least I am going to have fun trying. It’s not like I’m considering making a career out of it!
Regardless of what you or anyone thinks of my game, I’m going to keep playing poker, because what’s more important to me is getting out of the house, seeing friends, having fun and simply playing a game I’ve grown to love. The aggression and disrespect you’ve shown here is the kind of thing that takes a lot of the fun out of it.
So, whatever it is that you think I’ve said or done, I'm sorry, but it can’t be worse than what you’ve dished out to me here for everyone to see. You are entitled to think what you want about my game, but I’m also entitled to have an opinion about yours. I’m not even sure why you would care so much about what such a “crap” player thinks anyway.
Finally, I’m not sure what “position or reputation” it is that you think I don’t deserve, but for me, being part of the OPC is about friendship, camaraderie and being part of a group of people who all have a passion for the game. Like Joe says “sometimes it’s not all about poker” (thanks for sticking up for me, Joe). Maybe if you understood that part of it you wouldn’t be putting stuff like this on you blog.
See you on the felt.
Kate
OPC Player Rankings (as at 10.00pm, 31 May)
By average
Stuart, 60.07 (1)
Wayne, 54.48 (2)
James, 51.59 (3)
Lydia, 50 (4)
Shannon, 49.20 (5)
Thor, 36.80 (6)
Kerry, 36.27 (7)
Beau, 34.43 (8)
Craig, 32.53 (9)
Ian, 31.91 (10)
Kate, 31.26 (11)
Mitch, 29.38 (12)
Joe, 29.03 (13)
Geremy, 28.4 (14)
Chris, 22.88 (15)
Mark, 19.85 (16)
By points
James, 1393 (1)
Shannon, 1328.5 (2)
Wayne, 1307.5 (3)
Kate, 844 (4)
Geremy, 701 (5)
Lydia, 600 (6)
Thor, 590 (7)
Joe, 551.5 (8)
Kerry, 544 (9)
Craig, 520.5 (9)
Mitch, 470 (10)
Stuart, 420.5 (11)
Ian, 351 (12)
Chris, 297.5 (14)
Mark, 248 (15)
Beau, 241 (16)
Im gonna put it out there like this Shannon is the best Player in the OPC, this does not mean he can critisize other members of the opc, but he is definatley the best player in the OPC, averages dont mean anything and arent a good guide to go by a players ability, like not all of us sit around until we down to our last $100 in chips just for averages sake, now this is not a judgement on your game kate but averages are not the determination of poker ability
C'mon guys. Cut me a little slack.
OK. So maybe I am the worst player in the OPC. But, you know what? I don't care. Like I said, for me, the OPC is about being with friends, having fun and simply playing a game I love.
However, in APL games, all we have to show at the end of each season is our averages and points. So what if I hold onto a few chips to improve my position in the final 8. Big deal. From what I understand of tournament play (which isn’t a lot, granted), is that it doesn’t really matter what you have in your chip stack when you come first or second, or even eighth, it’s what you do with what you have that seems to matter. I don't see how holding onto chips, and folding a big blind that's been raised, when you’re getting nothing better than 6 3 off-suit is any worse than going out in a blaze of glory. It's just a different strategy. And, it's one I learnt it from watching other people play (maybe I am learning, but only the wrong things?). Of course I know that at the end of the day the points and averages really don't count for much, especially in the APL. However, the averages and points are what Shannon is basing a lot of his argument on, so I felt obliged to use them in my defence. (I also think it's funny that the averages and points only really matter to people when they're doing OK at them ;) )
Look. I'm still learning the game, and chances are my game will never improve, and in a year’s time I’ll still be frustrating players like Shannon by doing stuff like folding rubbish hands when I’m short stacked when he would have pushed. But, while I've been learning I've won enough sit and go's and home ring games to know that whatever it is I've been learning and doing seems to work every now and then, when averages and points don't mean anything. Not often, but every once in a while, whatever it is I'm doing is enough to knock out some of the better of more aggressive players at the table (like Shannon, James, Joe, Thor, Wayne and Geremy), and I get a little sense of satisfaction from that (so shoot me!).
I've been playing for almost a year now, and in that time have probably played enough games, both in the APL and outside, to start to recognise superior and inferior play. I have no hesitation in putting myself in the latter category. And there is no denying that Shannon is a far, far superior player than most other people in not only the OPC but the APL as well - I for one have never said any different. What I don't understand why that gives him a right to have a total, blatant lack of respect for other people's games.
Please understand that I have never, ever suggested that I have a poker ability like anyone else in the OPC, and a lot of other people in the APL for that matter, but while I’m winning ring games and sit and go’s, and doing better than a lot of other people in the OPC in the APL this season (for what it’s worth), I think it’s more than a little unfair to say that I “cannot play poker” and “never will”.
The more we all learn about the game, the more we all feel we have a right comment on it. Not just me. Everyone. Maybe I do it more than anyone else, I don’t know (but, from what I observe, I don’t think so). I’m certainly in no position to judge other people’s games, and I’ll work on keeping my mouth shut in future.
Nature dictates that we will compare ourselves to each other. We all do it. Anyway, what we end up comparing is game play and style, and everyone's game is different. Some styles obviously work better than others, or we wouldn't be able to say that someone, like Shannon (or James, or Wayne, or whoever), is better than the rest of us.
I enjoy seeing other OPC members do well. I’m loving the current tussle at the top of the regional leaderboard and feel am always hoping Shannon, James and Wayne will do enough each week to knock Mark Cowie of his perch. Shannon’s an exciting player to watch, and when he’s winning he does stuff I’ll never understand. He's a very valuable member of the OPC. However, every now and then I also like to see Shannon lose, in the hope that it might teach him a little modesty! Is that so wrong of me?
While I'm openly admitting to learning the game, and being "the worst player in the OPC", I'd appreciate it if rather than flaming me online, the other members of the OPC tried to teach me a thing or two, if only to improve the strength of the team. And maybe, if you see me do something right you could also let me know. A little positive feedback always goes a lot further than putting people down.
I think we should all just chill out and get back to being a team and enjoying the game.
Kate
Hey Chris,
You and I both know that averages and points don't really mean much at the end of the day, but only two weeks ago you were talking up your average from last season (which was great, by the way) like it meant something. So, I guess, what I'm wondering is, what's changed your mind lately?
Kate
kate i would like to thank you for keeping 1 of your posts below 7 paragraphs (only kidding) but i wasnt talking up my average i was merely stating to shannon that OPC members have been performing and holding up the high standard when himself and james were struggling, i dont give 2 shits about my average in the APL, because i know i can beat anyone heads up because i dont just play good cards and wait for the aces kings ace kings and so on, i mean some people are poker players and some play poker which one best describes yourself?
Like ive said to that monkey mark cowie, free poker holds little interest to me anymore, i thrive on cash events, and since you like researching can you figure out my average in cash events? ill give you a clue if falls between 68.70 and 68.80
People, we all need to chill here, at the end of the day we all have weaknesses and strengths, I for 1 am not prepared to lable anyone the worst/best player in the O.P.C, cause on any given day with the right cards/chipstacks/opponents etc we can all play really good/crap poker. I believe i am a prime example of this, on most tables i play on i believe i am better than my opponents but this is not always the case.
My suggestion to Shannon is to take on bigger tourneys against players you don't know to improve your game. Remember State Champs, you did not make the final but Stan and Ooda did, and we all think Stan is crap.
I am not bagging your ability, but dude you have weaknesses in your game, just like everyone else.
Machine Gun Out
Hi Chris,
Yeah. I agree. Your cash game average is very impressive. No arguement there.
Like I've said over and over in the past 24 hours, I'm no expert. I don't think I even know the difference between a poker player and someone who plays poker. So there you go. Even you would have to admit, though, that I have a pretty good average against you in any ring games and sit and go's we've ever been in together. So, please, give me a break!
Kate
look kate im not scared or intimidated of any player here or anywhere, and i glady put out a heads up challenge to you if you wish to accept it of course there has to be money involved otherwise it doesnt mean anything and i propose a $100 heads up game between yourself and me, you can name the time and place and ill then show you the difference between a person who plays poker and a poker player
(this is not a personal attack on you at all so dont take it as one,but if you think you have the wood over me then i see no problems in you taking me up on my challenge)
im down for anything anytime, ill back myself against any player even you LL new heat,im sick of people doubting me so i say fuck it and bring it anyone who wants to have a crack bring your best because you will need it, its all good though, these high stakes games you speak of sound interesting and some more information would be handy before you move to walgett
shannon. dude. pull ur head in. u r only a poker star in ur own mind. do u know how stupid u r going to look now everytime Kate smashes ur sorry arse (which probably happens more ofen than u think! get a life man. u have mistaken poker for ur life. just because u think people respect ur play doesnt mean they respect u. u r the one that needs to go home.
chill
I would just like to add that Winton and I are having a great time in Brisbane, but it seems we may have left this region just in time.
We have been reading all orange related poker blogs and have discovered a lack of respect and companionship in the ranks of all poker crews.
It is unfortunate that what was once a friendly fun form of mental stimulation has turned into a he said she said...
Have fun on the felt while it lasts; do not take it for granted.
See you all real soon
Winton & Kristal
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